Detroit–Ann Arbor

Detroit and Ann Arbor, Michigan1966–19692 bands

A Detroit ballroom and an Ann Arbor commune, where the MC5 were the house band and the Stooges were their little brothers, until one record-label trip in 1968 signed them both.

  1. MC5

    The Grande's house band from its opening night, managed by John Sinclair, and the band that recorded its debut, Kick Out the Jams, live in that room over two nights in October 1968.

  2. The Stooges★ Named as an influence by 20 artists on the map

    The MC5's little brother band, who opened for them and reached Elektra on Wayne Kramer's tip; their band house on Packard Road, the Fun House, gave their second album its name.

The room

Detroit and Ann Arbor, Michigan · 1966–1969

The Grande Ballroom opened in Detroit on 7 October 1966, to about sixty people, with the MC5 on the bill, and the band became its anchor, playing there at least once a week. Their manager, John Sinclair, ran Trans-Love Energies, a commune that moved in May 1968 to a big house at 1510 Hill Street in Ann Arbor. For a while the Stooges counted as a Trans-Love band too; they lived across town in their own band house on Packard Road, the Fun House their second album is named after. Sinclair recommended them to the Grande's owner, Russ Gibb, and they first played there in January 1968, on a bill headed by John Mayall.

The two bands met their record label on the same weekend. In September 1968 Elektra's Danny Fields flew in to hear the MC5, at the Grande and at a benefit in Ann Arbor's Union Ballroom where the Stooges were playing too; Fields has said Wayne Kramer told him that if he liked the MC5 he'd like their little brother band. Elektra signed both on 26 September, the Stooges for $5,000 as the small half of what Fields called a package deal. The room came apart within a year: Elektra dropped the MC5 in April 1969, the band left Sinclair's politics that June, and in July, days after both bands played a benefit for him at the Grande, Sinclair went to prison.

Room to room

The bands here shaped 10 bands in 5 other scenes; none of them names a band from another scene.

Red: who a band here shapedBlue: who a band here learned fromPoint at a band to see only its links; click a scene to go there.

  • CBGBMC5 shaped Ramones.The Stooges shaped Talking Heads and Ramones.
  • SST RecordsThe Stooges shaped Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Descendents and Minutemen.
  • ManchesterThe Stooges shaped Joy Division and Buzzcocks.
  • SeattleThe Stooges shaped Nirvana.
  • No WaveThe Stooges shaped Swans.

What came out of it

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame calls the Stooges "punk before punk existed" and credits the MC5 with creating its template, and the Ramones named the MC5 first among their influences. The Stooges' first album was produced by John Cale of the Velvet Underground; on this map the bands that name the Stooges run from the Ramones and Joy Division to Black Flag.